PETALING JAYA: I know this will be a contentious issue. I am always wary of dragging politics into military and defence discussions.
However, as the Armed Forces, most probably the Army will be dragged into this, it is also inevitable that somehow we need to discuss the issue. The issue is of course the planned demonstration on July 9.
The new Armed Forces chief had already stated that it was prepared to help the police.
For me the military should be used in the last resort as in what had happened back in 1969. While I understand that the good general was probably asked to comment on the issue at a press conference, a more diplomatic answer was “no comment”.
–Malaysian Defence
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agree with marhalim, furthermore lately malaysia police have drastically increase their man power.
addition to that, PGA is there to help FRU. army should only show up after police fail to do their job.
Does MP have stocks of tear gas??
Does MP have water cannon trucks??
will army help police with M4 on their shoulder?
and with sibmas or condor with heavy gun??
pls dont let army reputation become like police .....
we still have PDRM to control the demonstration. ATM intervention only will tarnish ATM image in the eyes of the world.
Fully confident with PDRM to handle the protesters..
The military should never be used against its own people.
If I am the PAT, I would do everything in my power to make sure those rascal shut their mouth forever by any mean including send my commando to their house because they are a big threat to our nation! Anyway, I believe our beloved BN govt will do their best to protect the right's of every Malaysians from those rascal out there that are very dirty and insane! Those rascal should think 1st before doing something stupid! (oh sorry, they are actually ****** stupid!)
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The PAT will not and should not do that as it is against the law
Have no fear brother! they are out of touch!
If the military do not want to be hated by the rakyat, my advice just stay away and be above politics.
We know they, the military generals are gearing up for POPO but rest assure they will face the unstoppable human tide out there unless they are willing to be confrontational.
It is just BERSIH and the 8 points demand.
The right thing for the PAT is to warn the government of the consequences and tell the police to protect the peaceful gathering of the rakyat. Rather conspiring against the rakyat.
Allowable under article 10 of the Perlembagaan Malaysia mah!.
The soldiers will have to face their own kind or some of their family members on the street.
So jangan menggelabah new PAT! if you are not sure just shut up! You are not a hero! and don't be one! hahaha I will be there... insya'ALLAH.
Owh don't worry the army wont have anything to do with the demo just as the actual intention of the demo which i suspect (but i guess we all know it already) is not really about calls for clean election.
Our ARMY are not a political tool. Don't they get it that this is not Thailand? They are to protect the country, not some political party...The new PAT should try to be neutral and quiet in this matter to avoid some paper misusing his words for threats and inflammatory news material.
Yes its very clear and legally, the armed forces of malaysia is above politics.
It is non-partisan and will have to su[pport and protect the legally elected government of the day-No matter what colour the party flags of the government is.
Thats right, we all took the oath of loyalty to protect the YDPA and the legally elected government of the day-yes even if the opposition of today gets elected in the next election, the armed forces has already pledged to protect that government.
Moreover, POPO must be declared for the army to be called up and not as the PAT wishes he can mobilise the army for such matters.
I would suggest that the PAT learn public relations and also get his law brushed up as he needs to know more about such matters. It is inconceivable that the armed forces be political now .
As it was, the armed forces has been briefed down to the lowest level that it is a apolitical organisation.
When the army is called up it is a case of the standard box formation, a magistrate and a police officer will be within the box.
No water cannon here. The box will be equipped with tear gas canisters and the standard launcher.
The front row of the box is armed with high velocity rifles and one mat sabun will be armed with a shot gun. The orders can be to march and establish a line for which there must be no crossing or to do a charge to do snatches.
The last resort would be the order to fire and kill the leaders. but then high velocity bullets dont kill one person only . A 5.56 bullet can pass through 4 bodies while a 7.62 can pass through 10.
Imagine the collateral damages?
So PAT, please stay out.
Its not your fight and due to the pledge you had taken when you joined up, you must remain apolitical, protect the YDPA and the legally elected government no matter they are pembangkang or Umno led
Keep your pledge!
What sets us apart from the Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia, is that the MAF has always stayed away from politics - this is something we inherited from our colonial over lords.
Unfortunately, though it's a different subject all together, we have a military leadership who lacks spine/backbone, and rather than standing up for the interests of those under them, acts like trained circus seals.
From what I understand, if a particular situation were to get out of hand, the IGP would have to inform the Home Minister. It would then be up to the PM to declare a state of emergency and decided on whether or not to send the army to the streets. As the PDRM has been rapidly expanded [which resulted in a shorter training cycle for recruits, leading to a drop in manpower quality] and has a nice budget to buy new toys and gadgets, it should bloody well be able to deal with any demonstration that gets out of hand!!
P.S. The PAT reminds me of an over stuffed teddy bear.....
Under our Public Order Ordinance, the PDRM may request the MAF to assist them in the restoration and maintainance of public order and security if the situation becomes untenable.Under such request the CDF could deploy troops close to the scene of action even before the outbreak of disorder.The CDF has no power to refuse such request as the MAF is also responsible for national security.
The MAF will employ different tactics and procedures as they are not trained for close contacts engagements with the protestors which is really the job of the Anti-Riot Police unit.