SHAH ALAM: Tender out for Unifil APCs. As hinted in previous posts, the Request for Bids or the open competition for new APCs for Malaysian contingent in Lebanon (UNIFIL) has been published today. As expected not much details has been released via the Eperolehan website though those interested to contest for the competition must attend a briefing on 7 October at the Perolehan division office at Wisma Zetro in Wangsa Maju.
A Guardian with Malbatt peacekeepers at a riot control training. The Guardian manual turret did not appear to be fitted with a gun.
As for the tender itself it is called “MEMBEKAL, MENGHANTAR DAN MENTAULIAH KENDERAAN PERISAI(KP) ARMOURED PERSONNEL CARRIER (APC) UNTUK MALBATT 850” .
The 20 4X4 vehicles will be commissioned in Malaysia as the delivery address is at the Batu Kentomen facility in Kuala Lumpur.
IAG Guardian displayed at Weststar booth at DSA 2018 equipped with a RWS.
The specifications publicly available.
There is a requirement for the Malaysian Armed Forces (MAF) to have a dedicated AWV 4×4 for peacekeeping operations to serve in the United Nation Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL). The vehicles shall be tough and robust capable to operate in temperate and Lebanon terrain environment with four (4) season weather. Materials used shall be new and free from defects, which would adversely affect the performance and the maintainability of individual components or of the overall assembly. Unless otherwise specified here in, all equipment, material and articles incorporated in the work covered by this specification are new, unused and of the latest model.
Nurol Makina Ejder Yalcin 4X4 armoured displayed at the Deftech booth at DSA 2018. The vehicle is now being offered by NADI Corp Holdings Sdn Bhd.
I have been told that seven vehicles have been tested locally for the above requirement though the technical specifications stated that suitable vehicles that had been trialled locally or at the country of manufacture could be offered for the competition.
An Army Lipanbara 4X4 vehicle.
I have also been told that the vehicles would be equipped with a RWS unlike the Guardians APC already procured for Malbatt 850 contingent already. The Auditor General was unhappy with the lack of RWS as detailed in its most recent report although the decision to not equip them was made after Malbatt experience in Lebanon itself. The Defence Ministry did not offer a robust defence of the decision however.
— Malaysian Defence
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So auditor general gets to decide what is good and what is not for the army?
As for the specifications. If that person who is doing the specifications works for me, I would have thrown that document into the bin.
zero facts and figures.
At least give something like the TLDM multi purpose boats.
4x4? what size? A 4x4 can be an armoured 4x4 hilux to a 20 ton 4x4 armoured truck!
Tough? how tough? What is the measurement for tough?
Anyway IMO just do a follow on order of the Guardian Extreme and be done with it.
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The detailed specifications will only be given out to the companies that have personnel attending the briefing on 7 October
So how do you decide if you want to go for the briefing?
It is like someone saying I want to eat, but without explaining what he/she really want to eat. It can be anything from icecream to alpaca steak for all i know.
Why can TLDM do a proper writeup for its tender, but not tentera darat?
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If you want to do stuff locally, buy in meaningful numbers to benefit both the military and justify all the infrastructure investments.
http://m.koreaherald.com/amp/view.php?ud=20200929000548
Korean wheeled IFV now already ordered for 3rd batch. This is to partially replace the existing KIFV inventory.
... - Anyway IMO just do a follow on order of the Guardian Extreme and be done with it.
Agreed. No need setup new operation maintenance and spare parts.
Unless they thought Guardian is not up to their expectations. Then we will see a new type of APC 4WD.
Just to be fair. The AG did not decide on what to equip the armoured vehicles. What they are commenting on are the facts. They match the requirements of the UN, what has been ordered n delivered n the end result.
Thats the AGs job. They never decide .
They audit n find the truth to ensure procedures are followed, our money well spent n protect our interest
With RWS eh? I wonder how the Lebanese would take to this 'betrayal' for trusting them these many years of friendship.
The guardian was exactly what the army ordered. Just because the AG find a UN list of reimbursement of an armed APC that is higher does not make the guardian not suitable for use in UNIFIL. There are plenty of other nation APCs in UNIFIL duty that is equipped similarly to the MALCON Guardians. The very fact that the AG commented about soldiers dying because of the need to put their heads out to shoot (when actually soldiers can perfectly shoot from inside the vehicle using the multiple gun ports) is a tantamount of trying to decide what is good and what is bad for the army.
It also doesn't help when the army did not give a proper reply to the AG (is there no competent army person that attended to the audit?)
The answer to this issue,is simply look into ATM inventory,what type of armoured 4x4 that is commonly use,built up from there,anyway most of the posters think ATM should be having a uniform armoured 4x4 vehicles,easy for maintenance,logistic and what not....why suddenly the change of heart wanting to buy another new beast to be added to the rojak inventory of ATM.....we stay focus and things will get better with hi quantity of 4x4 to be issued to any units...indirecly ATM is helping workshop all over malaysia,sabah ,serawak if ATM wanted to....there are lots of ways in assisting these small woekshop n logistic warehouse lessening the burden to the ATM maintenance base....
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There is also the argument that the government should not be rewarding the same people all the time. In this case if the government simply put an order for extra Guardians a lot of people will shout loudly as well. As for the maintenance yes it will be easy to just farm it out to any workshop but again this will also have some problems. If the Army just used Hilux it will be easy but they don't. Some of the trucks need specialists to maintain them
@ marhalim
A military contract should not be seen by anyone as a "reward".
The military should be given an equipment that is fit for the task, and if that means getting more of the current equipment, that should be the thing that they are getting.
IMO there should be an open tender for getting new equipment that is not in the inventory of the armed forces. If the stuff that you need is just more examples of the exact equipment you are currently using, then just issue a follow up order for the same thing.
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It is seen as a reward if the same people got all of the contracts all of the time. This was the case when DRB Hicom was the preferred supplier to the government agencies including the military.
Sir thank you for the inside view of ATM,but lets play will this school of thought.." we pay so much in the present inorder to pay less in the future"
ATM n the civilian group must work out something and iron out issues in order to make it a win-win situation for both ATM n civilian . Fine example the indonesian AD...they are using hilux chasis to built MAUNG their 4x4 armoured vehicles n in the future maybe wirh even bigger engine n parts easily accessable from any workshop all over the country...we have KSSB..and what not supplier and logistician maybe it can be franchised who knows... Just to throw sketchy ideas n hopefully if its fine tuned could be a succesful impementation.
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As for the Indonesian example it must be noted that the vehicle was only developed recently. As for companies its easy to set up one but getting good people that is the hard part.