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• Basically all that talk about ineffective government lah, kerajaan gagal lah, was all hot air and only meant to set a coup against TSMY, as virtually the same "ineffective" PN Government was brought back wholesale but with UMNO sitting on top.

  Once more, the rakyat have been played out for their emotional sentiments and further destabilise our country.

• On the flip side, the LCS fiasco really started during HH first stint, so I really hope in his 2nd stint he takes responsibility and get it finally done.

• The beauty of HH becoming the new Defense Minister is that:

  1. Malaysia has bigger and better chance to buy more military hardware from China

  2. Defence relations between Malaysia and China will improve

  3. There's no more tension between Malaysia and China in the SCS

  • There is a misconception that the defence minister is solely responsible for the decision to buy military hardware from certain countries. Most of the decisions on previous procurements were the prerogative of the then PM. I did not see any change in policy even in this new government. Its the same about the health of defence relationships, the minister just follow the decision of the PM though they will say it is the Cabinet decision

• Yes there seems to be a misconception that having a particular person at MINDEF will change things; it’s not the person but the system; as Marhalim has pointed out. Unless the system changes; things will remain the same : the MAF will remain underfunded; whatever cash we spend will not be put to optimum use and the average rakyat will remain very indifferent towards defence.

• On the LCS; brass tacks. The main reason (a fundamental one) why things went ratshit was because of the hugely political decision (during Zahid’s tenure) to have all of the ships built here; as part of the illusion that it actually benefits the country. Then again many still buy the idea of the “self sufficiency” gaga cloud cuckoo land myth/fantasy.

  That was not the Defence Minister’s sole or final decision; although he may have been extremely supportive of the idea. Again; it boils down to out highly flawed defence policy; where national interests; including that of the local industry takes precedence over that of the end user and taxpayer.

  At the very least the lead ship should have been built in France; followed by the rest here in partial or gradual steps. This would have enabled BNS to go through a learning curve. It’s the system which enabled the cockup to occur; not any one individual.

• The said public indifference of the Rakyat towards defence issues and spending is also due to the Defence Ministry and proponents not thinking of better ways to educate Joe Public about Defence, why we need to budget and spend it well. Awareness of real defence matters isn't communicated to the laymen. For example, do the Defence Ministry have a school program where kids are exposed to what security issues the nation's concerned about. Recruitment Campaigns can start from these school visits and expos. Semi permanent Recruitment Booths should be set up in malls and community centres. These are real community-wide approachment that will demystify the armed services. We can't have just war pantomime and battle reenactments that doesn't really strike at the public's attention. Sure, there'll be periodic patriotic expressions at these events but the outreach effect isn't there. In places like rural and semi rural Australia, children and general public awareness of what soldiering is all about is instilled early at school level. Now without the Khidmat Negara program, less youngsters are aware of defence and security issues. And of course, one can't blame them for apathy towards men in uniform and their jobs.

• N9 "The beauty of HH becoming the new Defense Minister is that:
  1. Malaysia has bigger and better chance to buy more military hardware from China 2. Defence relations between Malaysia and China will improve 3. There’s no more tension between Malaysia and China in the SCS"

  If we just pack up and leave all our possessions in the South China Sea to China, we will also have "no more tension between Malaysia and China in the SCS." The China trolls are back again. With their treasonous filth but this time they've brought along a gross misunderstanding of what the defence minister does.

• Taib - “The said public indifference of the Rakyat towards” It’s largely to do with the fact that we’ve never been in a conflict with a state actor (the closest was the Confrontation); have long lived in a relatively benign environment; lack a long military tradition; have never been in a position of military rule or where the military exercises a lot of influence and as a country we have a level of strategic depth, etc.

  Taib - “Australia, children and general public awareness of what soldiering is all about is instilled early at school level”

  Australia takes its defence far more seriously and has a far longer/deeper military heritage: it’s also a member of the “blue eyed” alliance and has to maintain a certain level of capability in order to operate alongside Uncle Sam; a cornerstone of Australian policy. A sharp wake up call was in WW2 following the fall of the region to the Japs leaving Australia extremely exposed.

  Taib - “ do the Defence Ministry have a school program where kids are exposed to what security issues the nation’s concerned about”

  What MINDEF can or can’t do or wants or doesn’t want to do is governed by the overall defence policy we have in place; in turn governed by historical; economic and geo-political factors.

  Taib - “lNow without the Khidmat Negara program, less youngsters are aware of defence and security issues” All due respect but in the very first place did “youngsters” actually have defence/security “awareness” when the programme was up and running?

• @Taib
  Not just public apathy but the armed forces rank very low even for the civil service job preference, even below that of PDRM.