SHAH ALAM: Have guns will travel. The 1st Royal Artillery Regiment, part of the 10th Parachute Brigade, is likely to start training and testing the Nexter 105mm LG1 howitzers within the next two or three months. This is due to the fact that Advanced Defence Systems Sdn Bhd (ADS) has taken delivery six of the 18 LG1 guns ordered from Nexter in 2018.
The six guns, delivered in kit form, are being assembled at ADS facility in Jementah, Johor after delivery in early February. I wrote about the delivery in Jane’s here.
Malaysian Defence has also written on the issues surrounding the LG1 contract previously.The Strange Case of the 105mm Guns
With the contracts of the MD Helicopters MD530G light scout attack helicopter and M109SPH being cancelled, now I can post about the other contract that I have been asked about. It’s the Nexter 105LG1 contract. I can confirmed that it is still valid and deliveries are expected late this year, though it also had went through the wringer
I mentioned in the story that contract came under review during the Mahathir administration and came through in early 2019 after the cost of the contract was reduced. I have no idea how much really but it seemed that many contracts signed during the Najib administration were greenlighted after a review by the Mahathir administration but with the cost reduced by 5 to 10 per cent so we could assumed that LG1 contract cost was reduced by the same amount.
One has to wonder whether the long delay in getting equipment or infrastructure completed is justified with just reduction of 10 per cent of contract cost. Anyhow apart from the Mk III version of the LG1, the contract signed in 2018 is also inclusive of the Bacara ballistic computer and an initial batch of Nexter long range ERG3 ammunition. With the ERG3 ammunition, the LG1 guns have a range of 17km compared to the 10km maximum range of the in service Oto Melara Mod 56 pack howitzers with 1st RA and its six other sister regiments.
— Malaysian Defence
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Great news!
The next question is, how about the rest of the Rejimen Bantuan Rapat pack howitzers?
On the 10 PARA. How many SUPACATs are still in service? Are we going to recapitalise or do a major overhauls to the current ones? The SUPACATs are the ideal gun towers in paradrop situations.
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I would hazard a guess that 5-10% savings is chalked up to improvements in currency exchange and some form of discounts for allowing other customers to 'potong Q'. I don't think its something to say it was an achievement by the previous Government. 5-10% discount, worse that Malaysia Megasale promo.
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It’s safe to say the Model 56s will be operated until they fall apart. If we’re going keep on with 105mms I’d prefer if it was mounted on something. Easier to transport and easier to lay and relocate.
For me; priority is improved/effective FCS and whether we need to make organisational changes: plus the glaring lack of a UAS that should be organic for target acquisition and observation.
@ joe
Currently there is no other LG1 customer. Pending order by Indonesia to replace their Yugoslavian mountain guns have gone cold.
@ azlan
This is what norinco did to their copied model 56s
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But i dont think we should spend money on something that is at the end of their useful lives.
I would like for us to have some of this, if the cost is not far from the LG1
http://jolietweekly.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Hawkeye-105mm-Mobile-Weapon-System.jpg
But in the bigger scheme of things, i dont think we have the money to spare for the hawkeye 105mm SPH.
I think we are getting/already having FCS for our howitzer batteries. having more UAS under RAD should be the next priority. Low cost system like the MMEA Fulmar X should be ideal.
We're prolly seeing a gradual replacement of the oto melaras. this time but 18. Next time buy another 18, another time another 18, so on and so forth There's no pressing need to replace the Oto melaras except that the gun is nearing obsolescence issues where even OEM is phasing the parts out to a point where maintaining the gun is economically unviable It's like the old 25 pdr gun in other countries, it saw service in WW2 and gradually being replaced in 70s and 70s as spares/munitions dried up
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We have FCS no doubt but I’m talking about taking things to a new level. Whether it’s fire direction centres at battery level and fully integrated or more integration changes in organisation; we need to keep up with the times. The Royal Artillery Corps hasn’t received the same level of attention as the army’s other combat arms.
Doesn’t matter what UAS we get whether Fulmar or something else : it must be cheap enough to be bought and distributed in numbers and we must have the capability to fully utilise it. No point having real time coverage if we can’t act on it and if it’s hogged by higher level command set ups rather than made available at a tactical level to those who need it.
Dundun,
The main problem with the Model 56 - apart from its limited range - is its lack of robustness. Prone to
damage when towed over rough terrain. Spares are not the issue - yet - but the guns are getting older. It’s not “nearing obsolescence“ issues; it became obsolescent a long time ago. It’s just happened that for a long time; we had no pressing urgency to replace it - plans were made as far back as the mid 1990’s - and that many are still in service and supportable.
.... - “ i dont think we have the money to spare for the hawkeye 105mm SPH””
We don’t have cash for a lot of things do we? Unsurprising given how long the MAF has been underfunded and how long the shopping lift it. It only keeps growing and by the time we get around to funding things; other things have to be replaced. Making things worst is us buying things in small numbers.
Whether it’s a 105 or 155mn piece it makes sense for it to be motorised. In this day and age; unless it’s for specific benign conditions: with the exception of units like 10 Para; I don’t see how towed systems have a place in the force structure. The downside of course is another piece of equipment that needs fuel/lubricants and has to be maintained; adding to the logistical tail.
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Well our LG1s are to be assembled locally so no question these guns are for us but what I meant was Nexter's supply chain could be reprioritised to produce arties for other existing weapons (Caesar?) faster, bumping our order down the chain with some agreeable discounts.
At least they have “meaningful numbers.”
https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2020/02/21/thai-air-force-releases-wish-list-for-the-next-decade/
Indeed they do.
To me; it helps that the generals there have far more say in things (they actually make and drive policy) and that the average Thai has a more positive outlook on defence compared to the average Malaysia. One area the Thais seem to be in no hurry in addressing is commonality; there are still buying various things from various sources and have a very large logistics trail.
Ultimately of course; like most regional countries; whilst wanting to have an ability to deal with possible external threats; Thailand’s main focus is internal security. As far as state threats go; they foresee the possibility of limited border clashes (like the ones with Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar) as a much more likely to occur: rather than a full blown conflict. It’s also sometimes forgotten that Thailand is designated a U.S. non NATO ally (like the Philippines) so it has some level of comfort and assurance it can rely on.