SHAH ALAM: IN my recent reports on the MPA requirement, I stated that the CN235 is probably the favourite to win the programme if the funding goes ahead for RMK11. But it appears that the CN235 may not be able to take part at all as the Airbus Defence and Space C295 may take precedent over the IPTN built aircraft.
At the recent Airbus DS TMB briefing, I asked whether both the CN235 and C295 will compete for the same MPA programme (I did not mentioned Malaysia as the programme has yet to be officially announced). The answer from Airbus DS Light & Medium, ISR and UAS Marketing Director Fernando Cirla was that the C295 will take precedent above the CN235. I got a more definitive answer from an Airbus DS higher-up later that night but since that conversation was officially off-the-record, I will leave it at that.
In my post on RMK11, I wrote that “During his winding-up speech for RMK11 at Parliament on June 15, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein stated that among others, the Royal Malaysian Air Force will procuring MPA in phases. It was the only new asset for RMAF which he had stated during the speech.
Industry sources have since informed Malaysian Defence that 4 MPA will be procured. However there was no indication the type of MPA to be selected. I am assuming that the most likely candidate will be the CN-235 MPA that was displayed during LIMA 2015 by PT Dirgantra of Indonesia. The aircraft was fitted with the Thales AMASCOS.”
With the latest development however, it appears those plans may not work out after all. It must be noted that the CN-235 was developed together between CASA of Spain and Nurtanio of Indonesia hence the CN designation. Both companies have now evolved into Airbus DS and PT Dirgantara, respectively.
And unlike its older brother, the bigger C295 was developed solely by CASA before it was folded into Airbus DS (though the Spain government still hold the majority in CASA which in turn now hold shares in Airbus DS and probably Airbus Group as well).
At the briefing it was obvious that Airbus DS has high hopes for the C295 hence its preference over the CN-235.
With its bigger airframe, the C295 has a higher endurance and larger payload for a variety of taskings (it has 50 per cent more payload than the CN235). The higher endurance is notable especially for low level flights which may be needed for the maritime patrol role.
However for RMAF to choose the C295 over the CN235 its not that simple. The engines are different, the C295 uses PW127G turboprop engine while the RMAF’s seven 235s are equipped with the GE CT7-9C. The avionics are different of course. The cost of the C295 is also likely to be more expensive than the CN235, a major factor that needs to be considered.
As seen from the graphic above, the C295 could also be used for AAR refueling using a roll-on-roll of system. The system is being qualified on the aircraft as of now but it is expected to be cleared for use by next year.
In theory, all of the roles of the C295 also apply to the CN235 but due its lower payload and endurance, it can carry less of the items of the larger variant.
— Malaysian Defence
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Just a correction it's Nurtanio not Nortuno.
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Ok, thanks.
I remembered that before TUDM bought CN-235 from Indonesia, Alenia was offering its G-222 to TUDM as the MPAs. The CN-235(s) were supposed to be fitted with maritime sensors for the MP duties.
Short of funds, proposed programme scrapped.
CN-250 was the main contender until 1997-98 Tomyum Kung crisis caused CN-250 to be scrapped.Now, CN-295 is in the limelight.It this just another vapourised story?
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Of course at the end of the day whether or not things are procured is money. Unfortunately I am not a fortune teller, just a reporter, so I cannot say whether or not money will be available for the MPA programme or other things for defence. The best indicator is the price of oil and other commodities, if its stays at today's prices, things will be very gloomy indeed.
@ Ahmad Zaki
Did you mean N-250?
Cause there is no CN-250.
The N-250 was an indeginous aircraft developed by IPTN in the 90s. It was scrapped by the IMF.
Marhalim,
Your concern for the engine is non existent. Both engines are just as popular as each other. Plus, no matter what engine, the armed force themselves know no shit about it. Its the contractors that matters. Where else for the contractor, the 127 is used on ATR and 415. Its basically the same old PW100 for the past 30 years... And they are the cheapest out there, way cheaper than GE product.
Marhalim
What Dose The MPA Other Than C-295.The P-8A,R-99 and SJ-130 Sea Hercules or something
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Realistically the P8s et al are too expensive
RMAF just tendered a service simulator training of Beechcraft 350i, any relation to the MPA programme?
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AFAIK no. The air force contracted simulator services for all of its platforms apart from those with its own simulators ie Hornets, MKMs, Hawks, The two Super King Airs are being used for training and liaison flights.
There is a 3rd option.
There is a few used cn235 out there (most numerous is the old merpati airlines fleet of cn235). 4-6 aircraft could be bought and be modified by thales to fit the amascos system.
Do note that airbus defence would prefer its own FITS mpa system over the thales amascos, and maybe that is why they want to push the c295 platform.
Very interesting Marhalim. Thank you.
Indonesia's PTDI can always submit an bid using the CN235 for the MPA requirement, independent of Airbus.
But more importantly, will the current financial situation force ATM to reconsider converting existing CN235s? Are the existing planes too well used for conversion?
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Not really as the rights of the aircraft also belongs to Airbus DS. AFAIK our CN235s have not been heavily tasked since entering service.
traditional fossil O&G players know that oil prices will remain at current range for next few years, and most probably going lower if shale oil production cost can be cheaper
just hope MY gov have new formula of budget with current commodities prices.