SHAH ALAM: Army chief General TS Hafizudeain Jantan visited two Turkish armoured vehicles manufacturers during a tour of the country this week. He visited Turkey for the SEDEC conference fair. The manufacturers he visited were Nurol Makina and FNSS Savunma.
Both companies had supplied armoured vehicles to the Army, Nurol Makina – the Panthera armoured 4X4 while FNSS, Adnans and Gempita. They also took part in the recent DSA 2024 exhibition show casing their vehicles and services for the Army’s vehicle requirements from the HMAV, HMLTV and the 6X6. Their vehicles have also taken part local testing in Malaysia prior to the exhibition.
The two companies are both part of Turkish conglomerate Nurol Holdings, though FNSS is a joint venture with BAE Systems. Apart from Nurol Makina and FNSS, General Hafizuddeain also took the opportunity to visit the factories of Aselsan and Canik. Aselsan provided the RWS, BMS, navigation system and radios for the Panthera operated by the Malaysian contingent in Lebanon. Canik provided the 12.7mm HMG for the Panthera RWS.
Army release on the Nurol Makina visit:
๐๐๐ฐ๐๐ญ๐๐ง ๐๐๐ซ๐ฃ๐ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฒ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ข๐ซ ๐๐๐…. Meneruskan lawatan kerja di bumi Turkiye, Panglima Tentera Darat (PTD), Jeneral Tan Sri Datoโ Muhammad Hafizuddeain bin Jantan telah meluangkan masa untuk mengadakan lawatan ke Kilang Norul Makina Ve Sanayi A.S di Ankara.
Tujuan lawatan ini adalah bagi melihat dengan lebih dekat demostrasi Kenderaan Perisai (KP) 4×4 NMS Light Armoured Vehicle (LAV). Kenderaan Perisai ini telah diuji nilai di Malaysia pada 16 Mei hingga 1 Jun 2022 yang lalu bagi mengetahui tahap ketahanan dan mobiliti apabila digunakan di bentuk muka bumi seperti Malaysia.
Melalui laporan uji nilai, Kenderaan Perisai ini sesuai bagi aturgerak pasukan Infantri sebagai kenderaan pengangkut anggota bagi melaksanakan tugas-tugas Operation In Built-Up Area (OBUA) dan sebagai kenderaan peninjauan bagi kegunaan pasukan Armor.
Release on the FNSS visit:
๐ฒ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ป๐ซ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐โฆ.. Panglima Tentera Darat (PTD), Jeneral Tan Sri Datoโ Muhammad Hafizuddeain bin Jantan telah mengadakan Lawatan Kerja ke Kilang FNSS Savunma Sistemleri A.S di Ankara, Turkiye.
Lawatan ini diadakan bagi melihat beberapa jenis Kenderaan Perisai (KP) FNSS seperti ACV 300 yang telah dinaiktaraf, KP PARS 4×4 Wheeled Armoured Vehicle (WAV) dan PAR III 6×6 APC. Beberapa KP ini telah melalui proses uji nilai di Malaysia pada 5 hingga 21 April 2022 yang lalu bagi menguji tahap kompetensi KP tersebut.
Mengikut spesifikasi KP yang telah diuji nilai, KP PARS 4×4 WAV sesuai digunakan oleh Kor Armor Diraja (KAD) sebagai Armoured Reconnaisance Vehicle (ARV) manakala PAR III 6×6 lebih sesuai digunakan sebagai Armoured Fighting Vehicle (AFV) serta Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC).
— Malaysian Defence
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Any update on kuzgun for the laksamana?
Just to be clear, that Nadi corp/Badanbas and NADI (National Aerospace & Defence Industries) that controls AIROD and SMEO is two totally different entities
That Nadi Corp was created by privatizing MARA bus companies.
IMO
just cancel the 6×6 requirements
Get only 4×4 cavalry recce requirements, either the NMS and PARs would be good enough for the mission.
Pars 4×44 does have an additional advantage of being able to swim.
If we need more AFV, i would prefer to get more gempita instead of yet another different type of vehicle.
I don’t think that we need to replace 150+ Condors with 3 different types of armored vehicles (HMLTV, HMAV & 6×6 AFV)
I would prefer all of 5 of our KAD Cavalry regiments to consist of a Hi-lo mix of
a) Gempita AFVs
b) 4×4 HMLTV – either the NMS or Pars 4×4 mainly as a recce vehicle.
No
Any update on opv2 and 3?
None
Australian army Bushmasters 4×4 starting to be retired in 2025. The 8×8 ASLAVs should be good for recon. Spareparts still highly available. I am sure Deftech, Mildef or any of the better workshops can refurbish them. Will solve all the gaps that we have today.
I still believe that we shall have move on to self-propelled 120mm mortar, 105mm and 155mm artillery. Mobility and rapid shoot and scoot is vital for survival, especially against FPVs.
@ hasnan
” Australian army Bushmasters 4ร4 starting to be retired in 2025 ”
Currently they have like 250+ Bushmasters more than what they actually need.
We could buy/get that and “rebuild” them locally to as new condition. There are plenty of companies in Malaysia that are experts in truck rebuilds. As usual this would only be realistically done if the total cost is significantly cheaper than buying a brand-new tarantula for example.
the Bushmaster engine is commercial grade CAT 3126E diesel engine (Tarantula has the latter C7 version of the same engine if not mistaken), and gearbox is from ZF
But, like the tarantula, i feel that an APC to carry 8-10pax does not need to weigh 14-15tons. I would go for the lighter armored KLTV, but with a redesigned cabin with just 2 doors + rear door. So with driver+pax up front, and 8pax in the rear (4 each side). That would weigh around 6tons, easier to drive around, and hopefully cheaper to manufacture too. From the side it would look something like this
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/f3/e4/57f3e43882eaab0fd030ccf46e9fd66d.jpg
>kuzgun
Would be a good alternative to arm NGPVs with (alongside Simbad as *an* SAM because NGPV had none). Let the laksamanas live its second life as a gun patrol boat
@Hazone
“I still believe that we shall have move on to self-propelled 120mm mortar, 105mm and 155mm artillery.”
Speaking of self-propelled 120mm mortar I just learnt about the M120 Rak the other day, it would be awesome if the Rak mortar system or something similar could be installed on the Gempita as a variant
There are no plans to arm the Laksamanas with missiles.
@ noname
RAK mortar system uses totally different ammo compared to what we use now.
that RAK 120mm mortar is smoothbore.
Tentera Darat 120mm mortars are rifled.
@Hasnan
“any of the better workshops can refurbish them”
It doesnt bring enough moolahs to the local industry compared to buying new and CKD here (obviously) so the chances of used getting thru the beancounters are slim. TDM has also scuppered used deal so they prefer brand new thru and thru.
… – ”If we need more AFV, i would prefer to get more gempita instead of yet another different type of vehicle.”
Irrespective of what you ”prefer” can we afford it at this juncture and what’s the army’s opinion?
Hazone – ” still believe that we shall have move on to self-propelled 120mm mortar, 105mm and 155mm artillery. ”
Really? No shit ….
As for 105mm guns we have no choice as we can’t afford 155mms in the numbers we need but 105mm guns simply do not offer the operational flexibility needed. It’s also not all about the hardware but about organisation, the right C3 set up and other things. No point having the sexy ‘long range’ self propelled hardware if we can’t locate targets in order to hit them accurately with minimal delay. There is also the need to coordinate the use of arty and MLRS with maneuver units.
… – ”We could buy/get that and โrebuildโ them locally to as new condition. ”
Putting aside what we ”could” do on paper it’s interesting that the Ukrainians have the various MRAPS they’ve received as unsuitable for their requirements. Les we forget the MRAP was born out of an urgent requirement to deal with the mine and IED threat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now we of course have MRAPs but is this out of choice or driven by the fact that we can’t afford more AV-8s and or the 6x6s which were intended to be a cheaper solution. We know that for certain roles the army finds the AV-8 too large.
Hasnan – ” The 8ร8 ASLAVs should be good for recon. ”
They are very worn out and one can make the argument that a dedicated recce vehicle – based on the doctrine of gaining info but not fighting for it – should be small.