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• I thought dearsan will pitch the 72m model

• I knew anwar's iron brother wouldn't disappoint.
  While he's here they could invite malaysia to join Kaan programme as well

• It purely business transaction. If turkiye is such a brother, they would donate or slash price by 50%

  The brotherly relationship i can see if that we get offer before other or more classified information on the product or not water-down version for export market.

  That how we was with the French previously

• "That how we was with the French previously"
  AFAIK the French/EU are rather okay with selling full spec weapons unless its something that could threaten their own military security/integrity. The USA otoh...

• I meet a French sales representative for naval back in 2018. He mentioned that we are showing less interest in their products compared to early 2000s. They rather focus on Indonesia, Vietnam and Thai. Sing is German stronghold

  Usa otoh..... don't want offer high end but if we get others suddenly will come offer or caatsa

• This is a multi mission mothership.
  1.why is it too small at less than 100mtrs.
  No heli hanger,any full spec operation theatre,if this ship goes for humanitarian mission.the carrying capacity for carrying pax is too little.
  Furthermore,can it act as a replenishment ship for all MMEA ships n navy ships?
  Its suppose to be go anywhere do anything mothership.

  • As I mentioned in the earlier comments, they -MMEA/APMM- likely deleted the helicopter hangar as they want more people on board the ship. This is because MMEA/APMM is very conservative in their outlook and they do not like the use of automation on board their ships.

    Furthermore, it must be noted that MMEA/APMM is rather constraint on the technical side especially when it comes to operating helicopters on board ships for weeks on end. It must be noted that even RMN would rather not operate helicopters on its ships if possible.

• At 99m its quite on the small side for a 'mothership'. So most probably less endurance at sea. The main purpose of a mothership is to extend one's reach at sea. For MMEA/APMM use ideally a length of 120m would be just nice.

  • The endurance is 30 days as mentioned in the story. There is no need for higher endurance as its nearest port is less than 12 hours away. It is not like we are sailing to the Pacific.

• tangent - "I meet a French sales representative for naval back in 2018. He mentioned that we are showing less interest in their products compared to early 2000s"

  Obviously. The politics have changed and budgets have become tight. Under Najib the French, who already had a long presence here, had a strong pull. In the late 1980's up to the mid 1990's it was British Aerospace.

  Now it's the turn of newer players like Turkey and South Korea who from many years ago tried and were eager to collaborate with us and sell stuff. The inhibiting factor was us.

  Tangent - "The brotherly relationship"

  It has been greatly exaggerated. As I mentioned to someone here who was going on about how Erdogan and Anwar are supposedly so close - Turkey must as well help us pay off 1MDB debts. Erdogan and Anwar are friends with a lot of people, they are also politicians.

  Tangent - "they would donate or slash price by 50%"

  The Turks are in it for the revenue, not for charity. If we wanted things to be donated or sold at "friendship" prices [like Thailand got in the past and certain other countries get, we should be in Beijing ingratiating ourselves with our hosts, not in Turkey. The Chinese would be only too happy, having spent almost 2 decades trying to sell us stuff but making only modest sales.

  Thanks to Wikileaks we know the Chinese were very frustrated at their lack of success selling us things despite all types of attractive offers on their part and how we trust the Americans more.

  "AFAIK the French/EU are rather okay with selling full spec weapons"

  There are certain things they still won't sell. Would the French sell us a missile that breaches MTCR? Would the Germans freely share tech with us which was developed with another European partner and was "cutting edge"?

  The Americans aren't the only ones who can be selective, which imposes cobditions on sales, which don't freely hand out source and object codes and are selective in deciding who gets certain level of specs for certain things.

  • Even the South Koreans will not sell us anything that will breach the MTCR let alone the French. Though who knows now days.

• On Turkey. As everyone knows as part of major reforms under Kamal, it became a secular state. As I was told by someone who was part of a high level delegation which visited Turkey in the late 1990's [yes the Turks have been engaging us that far back] , the Turks were deeply offended when a high level MAF delegation refused to lay a wreath at the tomb of Mustapha Kamal on the grounds it was unIslamic.

• Yes but the impression many still have is that it's only the Americans which won't sell us stuff with the full capabilities, only them which sell with conditions attached, only them which don't readily hand out source and object codes, etc.