SHAH ALAM: The 17th Gempita Executive Review Meeting (ERM) was held in Cape Town in South Africa, on May 28th. The ERM is held twice annually under the procurement contract of the Gempita, according to a Tentera Darat post on its social media.
The ERM has been held previously in Malaysia, Turkey, France and South Africa, where most of the work on the 8X8 have been done. And yes, it is likely most of the ERM costs have been paid by the contract though I have no idea of the breakdown. And there is nothing on the winding down of the production of the Gempita, which is supposed to end this year (delayed by two years due to Covid).
From Tentera Darat post:
EXECUTIVE REVIEW MEETING (ERM) TELITI PEROLEHAN KENDERAAN PERISAI 8×8 GEMPITA PERKUKUHKAN ASET KETENTERAAN MALAYSIA
CAPETOWN , 28 Mei 2022 – Panglima Tentera Darat (PTD), Jeneral Tan Sri Dato’ Seri Zamrose bin Mohd Zain telah menghadiri Executive Review Meeting (ERM) Ke-17 Kenderaan Perisai 8×8 GEMPITA yang berlangsung di Capetown, Afrika Selatan pada hari ini.
Untuk makluman, ERM ini merupakan satu mesyuarat yang diadakan dua kali setiap tahun sebagaimana termaktub dalam Klausa 25 Projek Kontrak Perolehan Kenderaan Perisai 8×8 GEMPITA. Kenderaan Perisai 8×8 GEMPITA ini mempunyai 11 varians dan telah mula memasuki perkhidmatan sejak tahun 2014 demi memperkukuhkan dan memperkasakan aset Tentera Darat Malaysia (TDM).
Delegasi Malaysia bersama-sama hadir bagi mesyuarat ini terdiri daripada Asisten Ketua Staf Perancangan dan Pembangunan, Mejar Jeneral Rashidin Hashimi bin Ab Rashid, Ketua Pengarah Bahagian Penyelidikan dan Penilaian Tentera Darat, Brigedier Jeneral Ahmad bin Abu Bakar, Ketua Tim Projek Kenderaan Perisai 8×8 Beroda Gempita, Kolonel Azizan @ Azizan Long Ji bin Harun dan Mejar Mohd Noor Amin bin Md Jani. Selain itu, ia telah dihadiri oleh wakil-wakil seperti daripada Kementerian Kewangan, Ketua Penolong Setiausaha Perolehan Kerajaan, Encik Noor Hisham Affizam bin Shamsudin dan Bahagian Perolehan Kementerian Pertahanan yang diwakili oleh Pegawai Staf (Darat) 1 Unit Perolehan 1 (Darat), Mejar Khairul Iskandar bin Kamanoorizahar. Turut hadir semasa ERM Ke-17 Kenderaan Perisai 8×8 GEMPITA ini adalah Setiausaha Bahagian Perolehan Kementerian Pertahanan, Encik Mohammad Abiddin bin Abdul Rahman.
Delegasi luar negara dan wakil pengeluar syarikat kenderaan perisai tersebut turut melibatkan wakil-wakil daripada Denel Land System, FNSS, Thales Six France, dan Thales Malaysia.
Sesungguhnya mesyuarat sebegini adalah sejajar dengan Tonggak Pertama Perintah Ulung PTD Ke-28, iaitu; “Kelangsungan Misi dan Kesiagaan” dengan memberi penumpuan kepada peningkatan tahap kesiagaan, kompetensi dan aset TDM.
Perhaps once the production ends, Tentera Darat can concentrate on the long term maintenance contract of the Gempita fleet, which is currently done on a adhoc basis (for the vehicles out of guarantee period).
— Malaysian Defence
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Will DEFTECH make an improved version over the base one and maybe a new variant.
Will they install any CITV for the Gempitas. Can they make a variant that uses 105mm main gun.
We have gone through this before. It will depend on the Army, if they want more Gempita and in other variants. At the moment no
Muhammad,
- Did Deftech make any improvements to the Adnan after almost 2 decades beyond new brake pads, tracks and such? Has DEFTECH made any provision to add cage armour [relatively cheap and light] as protection against shoulder fired weapons?
- Don't you think it's a ludicrous situation where we go through all the hassle and expend great resources to have something locally produced [production line, tech transfer, IP rights, training, etc] but reach a stage where the army can't or won't buy a follow batch due to the high costs involved and thus has to go for cheaper 6x6s? It's a joke; a reflection of how we do things.
- If indeed funds are available in the future; that's fine but the army must only get follow on AV-8s if it has a clear need and not to keep DEFTECH afloat.
- What do you see a 105mm gun doing? If it's to take on other IFVs the 30mm, 25mm and Ingwe variants will do. If it's to take out bunkers and such infantry operated shoulder fired weapons and ATGWs will do. In our context why do we need a 105mm variant - to do what exactly? Other armies have a need for 105mms on IFVs and light tanks but that's because it suits their CONOPS/requirements. At one time we had 90mm guns but that was in a different era when the threat was different and when we had no MBTs, no ATGWs and less shoulder fired weapons.
We already have 11 variants which is pretty a lot but they are all needed to fill TDM usage needs so I doubt there are anymore variations missing that TDM would want more.
The one variant clearly missing is an AD variant intended to deal with low to medium level manned and unmanned threats. If there's anything the war in Ukraine has taught us is that AD must be; widely issued to to the lowest level and that a lot of existing AD systems ae inadequate for dealing with targets with a small RCS and IR signature [we learnt this in the conflict in the Donbas years ago, in Syria, Libya and Nargano Karabakh].
Whether it's on a AV-8 or a 6x6 0r even a wheeled platform; a AD vehicle fitted with a 30mm cannon; MANPADS, radar, ESM and FLIR is badly needed.
I am wondering whether the Koreans could sell us the BIHO turret to put on a truck or even on the Gempita
I'm sure they would sell it Marhalim if we expressed an interest. The Koreans from the 1980's [way before they approached Indonesia and the Philippines] have been trying very hard to sell us stuff and form a strategic partnership but we were unwilling to commit.
Personally I see 2 guns as being a bit of an overkill. I would prefer a single 30mm [anything smaller will lack the range and bang] and a quad MANPAD launcher.
I think TDM prefers more the Starstreak RapidRanger/RapidRover on lighter 4x4 for mobile AD purpose?
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/more-details-on-the-starstreak-deal/
Nope, the Starstreak was not chosen by the Army
Wait, what? This deal was signed right? So they cancelled it quietly or something?
Starstreak is great. Hard or near impossible to jam and flies at around Mach 2-3 or more [hard for the target to outfly and the operator only has to keep his eyes on target for seconds]. Starstreak can also go up to 16,000 feet. Problem is it's expensive and a line of sight weapon. Beam riders also take longer to train on.
IR systems are cheaper; don't require the operator to keep his eyes on the target but can be decoyed. Pros and cons with both.
RapidRover is great. I'm all for a stabilised mount and for an alerting device rather than having an operator with a launcher on his shoulder and his eyes and eyes as the only sensors. Against UASs however a hard kill and soft kill solution is needed and the hard kill should include a auto cannon and a MANPADs; both complementing each other to engage targets in different operational scenarios.
Mobile AD is a bit of a niche in the world, Western first rate armies do not put too much emphasis onto them. US had dabbled with Sgt York, Vulcan M113, Linebacker Bradleys & Avenger Humvees but ultimately decided that achieving air superiority and constant overwatch negates the need for such systems during rapid advances. Of course their troops are better equip to deal with local aerial oppositions with Stingers and to an extend with Javelins.
With the Starsteak cancellation I have no idea what is TDM's intentions, or what 's their peeve about it whether they are unhappy with the system or the carrier vehicle or both and what they really wanted. Marhalim, any clues?